{"id":62,"date":"2023-06-30T04:21:19","date_gmt":"2023-06-30T08:21:19","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/geneofun.on.ca\/vnfa1\/?page_id=62"},"modified":"2023-07-06T04:11:56","modified_gmt":"2023-07-06T08:11:56","slug":"y-dna","status":"publish","type":"page","link":"https:\/\/geneofun.on.ca\/vnfa\/y-dna\/","title":{"rendered":"Y-DNA"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns is-layout-flex wp-container-core-columns-is-layout-9d6595d7 wp-block-columns-is-layout-flex\">\n<div class=\"wp-block-column is-layout-flow wp-block-column-is-layout-flow\">\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading has-text-align-center\"><a href=\"https:\/\/geneofun.on.ca\/vnfa1\/y-dna\/\" data-type=\"page\" data-id=\"62\">Y-DNA Project<\/a><\/h2>\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-image\">\n<figure class=\"aligncenter size-full is-resized\"><a href=\"https:\/\/geneofun.on.ca\/vnfa1\/y-dna\/\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/geneofun.on.ca\/vnfa1\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/3\/2023\/06\/vnfa-dnay-340x215-1.png\" alt=\"Van Norman Family Association (VNFA)\" class=\"wp-image-6\" width=\"340\" height=\"215\" srcset=\"https:\/\/geneofun.on.ca\/vnfa\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/3\/2023\/06\/vnfa-dnay-340x215-1.png 340w, https:\/\/geneofun.on.ca\/vnfa\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/3\/2023\/06\/vnfa-dnay-340x215-1-300x190.png 300w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 340px) 100vw, 340px\" \/><\/a><\/figure>\n<\/div>\n\n\n<p class=\"has-text-align-center\">Open to any male born with a VN* surname<\/p>\n<\/div>\n\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-column has-background is-layout-flow wp-block-column-is-layout-flow\" style=\"background-color:#abb7c224\">\n<p class=\"has-text-align-center\"><strong>Join the Y-DNA Project<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>   &nbsp;   Requirements:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\">\n<li>You must have an account at&nbsp;<a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"https:\/\/www.familytreedna.com\" target=\"_blank\">FamilyTreeDNA<\/a>&nbsp;<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>You must be a VN descendant, or manage the Y-DNA kit of a VN descendant<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>You must have either already purchased a Y-DNA kit, or are prepared to purchase a Y-DNA kit.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-buttons alignwide is-content-justification-center is-layout-flex wp-container-core-buttons-is-layout-16018d1d wp-block-buttons-is-layout-flex\">\n<div class=\"wp-block-button has-custom-width wp-block-button__width-50 is-style-fill\"><a class=\"wp-block-button__link wp-element-button\" href=\"https:\/\/www.familytreedna.com\/groups\/vannorman\/about\" style=\"border-radius:15px\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Join<\/a><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-background\" style=\"background-color:#bae095\">We are seeking donations to help cover the costs of Y-DNA kits for male VNs who would not otherwise be able to afford one. The more male VNs who contribute to the Y-DNA project, the better able we&#8217;ll be to sort out the VN family lines. &nbsp;Donations can be made directly to the&nbsp;<a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"https:\/\/www.familytreedna.com\/groups\/vannorman\/about\" target=\"_blank\">Van Norman project at FamilyTreeDNA<\/a>.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>This project was started in May 2008 to see if some of the many questions about the origins of the Van Norman (etc.) surname could be answered and whether or not we descend from one Ancestor or several. We had also hoped to confirm our current research and perhaps to knock down some of the \u201cbrick walls\u201d for those who had reached a dead end in their search.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>The results have shown that not all of the VanNormans (etc.) descend from a single progenitor, but appear to have at least three sources of origin: 1) The Van Aarnhem line of New York; 2) The Van Naamen line of Pennsyvania and 3) The [Speculative] Van Immen or Vanaman (etc.) line of New Jersey. This is quite plausible, since our Dutch ancestors were using Patronymics in the 1600\u2019s and the \u201cVan\u201d portion of the surname means \u201cfrom\u201d. So the Van Aarnhem (etc.) surname indicated that the person was from the Town of Arnhem, in the province of Gelderland, Netherlands, while the Van Immen (etc.) surname may refer to origins in the Town of Emmen in the Province of Drenthe, Netherlands. Naturally there was likely more than one person from each town who came to North America in the earlier years who could have adopted this phrase as a surname. Varied pronunciations of other early surnames such as Van Naamen and Vanaman etc. also may have led to the adaptation of the Van Norman spelling.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Also included are lines which are the result of one of the anomalies that sometimes occur &#8212; Adoption, Illegitimacy, Infidelity, etc. \u2013 so we do have some kits that do not match any of the other participants.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Most of our Y-DNA test results can be viewed via the following link:<br><a href=\"https:\/\/www.familytreedna.com\/groups\/vannorman\/about\/results\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">https:\/\/www.familytreedna.com\/groups\/vannorman\/about\/results<\/a><br>[Note: not all kits are shown on our Public Results page as some members have opted out.]<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>&#8211; New York (The Van Aarnhem line)<\/strong><br>Two sets of results are an identical match and those results are a close match to the other sets. This indicates that all of these lines have a common ancestor, likely within a datable period of time. We know that the two matching lines [kits 121451 &amp; 169963] are third cousins, and while their relationship to a third sample [kit 144050] is currently unknown, we know these lines have no connection after 1794 at a minimum and probably don&#8217;t have a common ancestor born any later than the 1740&#8217;s.<br>Two sets of results [kits 212123 &amp; 216953] are descendants of Jan Janse Van Aarnhem &amp; Hester Fonda through their son Isaac Jansz Van Aarnhem and are thought to be 6th cousins.<br>Two sets of results [kits 642767 &amp; 497213] are descendants of the same couple via their son Abraham.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>I feel that there is now sufficient data to predict the majority of the markers for Jan Janse Van Aarnhem (c1671 \u2013 c1708), the husband of Hester Fonda. Using the two separate lines of descent that have now been established via his sons Abraham and Isaac Jansz, combined with the \u201cbrick wall\u201d lines, they give us [almost] enough information to work with. The 37 markers for Jan Janse, with the one noted exception, are likely as follows:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>DYS393 13 &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;DYS390 26 &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;DYS19 15<br>DYS391 10 &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;DYS385* 11-14&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; DYS426 12<br>DYS388 12 &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;DYS439*10 &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;DYS439i 14<br>DYS392 11 &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;DYS389ii 31 &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;DYS458* 15<br>DYS459 9-10 &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;DYS455 11 &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;DYS454 11<br>DYS447 24 &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;DYS437 14 &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;DYS448 20<br>DYS449*33 &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;DYS464* 12-15-15-16<br>DYS460 [11 or 12??]<br>Y-GATA-H4 10 &nbsp; &nbsp; YCAII 19-23 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;DYS456* 15<br>DYS607 16 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; DYS576* 17 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; YS570* 19<br>CDY* 36-40 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; DYS442 12 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; DYS438 11<br>(An *indicates that these markers mutate more frequently than the others.)<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>The one exception, marker DYS460, while one of only two possibilities, becomes crucial in helping to determine the ancestry of the \u201cbrick wall\u201d participants. Our confirmed descendants of Jan Janse and Hester\u2019s son Abraham Van Aarnhem have the marker 12, while those of son Isaac Jansz have the marker 11 in their results.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>If the original marker was 12, then all five participants with 11 as their result are likely descendants of Isaac Jansz, even though only two of them have documentation to prove it.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>If the original marker was 11, then all four participants with a 12 as their result are likely descendants of Abraham, even though only two of them have documentation to prove it.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>It is mutations like these that might eventually help us determine which line a particular Van Norman ancestor might connect to, when we are trying to knock down a brick wall in our research, once we have a larger database of results to draw from. (This is assuming that the mutation took place a few generations back, and is not a recent occurrence.)<br>As you can see, locating a descendant or two to participate from Jan Janse\u2019s son Jan Dirk is vital to solving this quandary we find ourselves in. Matching the results from all three lines \u201ctwo out of three\u201d should point out which number is correct, thus giving us a starting point to work from. Then everyone can see exactly how many mutations have occurred in their own results throughout the years.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Please Note: The above is based on the assumption that these participants are all descendants of Jan Janse Van Aarnhem and Hester Fonda. While no current \u201cVan Aarnhem\u201d (etc.) named male descendants of his brothers are known to exist, it is a possibility that cannot be totally ignored. Also, identical but independent mutations can occur on the same marker, although I don\u2019t think they have had any effect on our results at this time.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>&#8211; Pennsylvania (The Van Naamen line)<\/strong><br>Two sets of results match 36 out of 37 numbers, indicating a common ancestor, while the two identical sets are known to be distant cousins. We believe that these three represent descendants of two sons (Isaac C. &amp; Benjamin) of Joseph Van Norman &amp; Elizabeth Wybern born in the 1760&#8217;s &#8211; 1770&#8217;s in Lower Smithfield, Pennsylvania. Again, there is one mutation between the lines of the two brothers, which may prove helpful in the future.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>A second pair of matching early Pennsylvania Ancestry is presenting more questions than answers. Thought to be descendants of Isaac Van Naaman (&amp; Mary Williams), it was anticipated that they would be a close match to the descendants of Joseph Van Norman &amp; Elizabeth Wybern, but that was not the case. Additional testing of other descendants of Isaac is required to confirm their results.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>&#8211; New Jersey<\/strong><br>With only two participants with early New Jersey ancestry in our project, we are unable to make any determination at this time. The DNA samples do not match although it was predicted that they would. Their Van Norman spelling might be a variation on the Van Immen or Vanaman (etc.) family names, but no people with those variations have participated in the project yet.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>As we stated at the start of this project, the rewards are not going to come overnight, but will benefit researchers of the Van Norman surname over the long haul.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Stephen Wood<br>19 August 2019<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Y-DNA Project Open to any male born with a VN* surname Join the Y-DNA Project &nbsp; Requirements: We are seeking donations to help cover the&hellip;<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"parent":0,"menu_order":0,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","template":"","meta":{"footnotes":""},"class_list":["post-62","page","type-page","status-publish","hentry"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/geneofun.on.ca\/vnfa\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/pages\/62","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/geneofun.on.ca\/vnfa\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/pages"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/geneofun.on.ca\/vnfa\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/page"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/geneofun.on.ca\/vnfa\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/geneofun.on.ca\/vnfa\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=62"}],"version-history":[{"count":10,"href":"https:\/\/geneofun.on.ca\/vnfa\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/pages\/62\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":163,"href":"https:\/\/geneofun.on.ca\/vnfa\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/pages\/62\/revisions\/163"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/geneofun.on.ca\/vnfa\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=62"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}